Proof That Christopher Lawell Owns MiyaBot and Is Therefore VegasChris

Some more has been discovered about MiyaBot, the chatbot sold by VegasChris of MoneyMakerDiscussion.com, the man who was once a VP of a mortgage company and now markets porn on the internet by means of hiring people to post fake dating ads on Craigslist. On the site uowow.com, which now has nothing but a default website page, there was once a source code repository for a Microsoft Visual Studio Solution (a collection of software development projects) with the name MiyaBot. It no longer exists but is still partly viewable in Google’s cache.

The MiyBot solution was located at http://www.uowow.com:8080/svn/CLI/AimBot/Miyabot.sln (Click to enlarge)

In the screen shot above, see that the URL given for the solution file was

http://www.uowow.com:8080/svn/CLI/AimBot/Miyabot.sln

In this path, there is a directory called svn, which stands for Apache Subversion, the name of the source code control system being used here. It’s standard practice in using Subversion to create your source code repositories in directories underneath this one. The source code repository in this case happens to be called CLI, which just happen to be the initials of Christopher Lawell Inc.

Well, it was discovered that the person who owned this server is a computer programmer who was one of Chris Lawell’s Facebook friends. It was thought that he was the person who created MiyaBot. We contacted him and asked him how he was involved with Christopher Lawell. This is a screen shot of part of the conversation. His name, picture, and other identifying information were blanked out since he doesn’t want to be associated with any illegal activities.

Conversation about Chris Lawell
More of the conversation

So this person confirms that Chris Lawell is the owner of MiyaBot, which means that Chris Lawell is VegasChris of MoneyMakerDiscussion.com.

Christopher Lawell and the CraigslistSafe.LocalSafe.org Scam: A Review of the Evidence So Far

Let’s review everything that has been discovered regarding the scam site CraigslistSafe.LocalSafe.org and Christopher Lawell over the past few weeks.

On November 17th, a post was made on this blog that showed the following:

  1. Mysafenet.net, CraigslistSafe.LocalSafe.org, and some of the other sites used for the scam were all in a DNS zone that was administered by someone with the e-mail address finishlinehosting@cli-us.com.
  2. Cli-us.com is the website for Christopher Lawell Inc (CLI). At the time, the site consisted only of a home page with his logo.
  3. There was a publicly viewable LinkedIn profile for the Christopher Lawell of Christopher Lawell Inc that showed he lived in the Las Vegas area.
  4. There was a dating scam site called CraigslistSafe.SafeAndLocal.org that was discussed on Broadbandreports.com that was registered to Christopher Lawell of Henderson, Nevada. This site was very similar to CraigslistSafe.LocalSafe.org.
  5. Christopher Lawell wrote articles showing people how to spam Craigslist, which is one of the methods used by scammers to get traffic to these fake dating sites.

That same day, a little while after this post was made, complaints about the scam were sent by e-mail to Ecatel (the ISP for the scam sites), finishlinelinehosting@cli-us.com, and ThePlanet.com (the ISP for one of the sites used for sending the scam messages). These complaints contained a link to the blog post. Within a few hours, the scam sites hosted by Ecatel were shut down and Christopher Lawell hid his LinkedIn profile and removed his company’s logo from cli-us.com.

A few days after this, Christopher Lawell’s links to these scam sites were publicized. On November 26th, after some joker made a mock Facebook profile for Chris that some of his friends saw, he wrote a letter in which he denied having taking part in the scams and also denied ever being involved in marketing porn.

First, he said that regarding the hiding of his personal information:

When someone brought to my attention several days ago your current campaign against me, I contacted my attorney and they said to “lock everything down and wait for it to blow over. Addressing these claims will only fuel the fire.” At that time I took down my image from cli-us.com and locked down my linked in account…

But this just doesn’t agree with the facts. The personal information was hidden just a few hours after the e-mail message was sent to Ecatel, ThePlanet.Com and finishlinehosting@cli-us.com informing them of the post on this blog with the evidence implicating Chris in the scam. Outside of that single post and the complaints e-mailed to the ISPs and cli-us.com, there was no mention of Christopher Lawell in regards to the the scam anywhere on the Internet.

Second, he gave this story of how the site SafeAndLocal.org got registered in his name.

Over a year ago, I had someone contact me via my web design company 350dollarwebsites.com where we register domains then design and host websites for businesses that may not have a web presence. The person said they would like to register a domain and buy a hosting account. They already were working on a web design so I registered the domain he asked for with my Go Daddy account and set up a hosting account for him. I figured, why not, it’s an easy $20. I was notified at a later date by HostGator (my webhost) that he was violating our terms of service and I promptly canceled his account and refused to refund any money. He hassled me for some time and I blocked him on IM and email and he went away., or so I thought. When the complaint showed up on the broadband reports forum, I wrote multiple letters to the admins of that site explaining the situation and asking that the thread be removed, they ignored every request.

This story makes no sense. Since he registered the domain, he owned it and controlled it. Therefore, once he had suspended the account of this alleged client of his, SafeAndLocal.org would have been shut down and it would no longer have existed by the time the thread on Broadbandreports.com was created; there would have been no site for the people in that thread to discuss.

Even though this story makes no sense, he used it as a setup for his claim of how he believes that the e-mail address finishlinehosting@cli-us.com got to be used for the administrator of the DNS zone for the scam sites.

You base the fact that I am involved in this scam because my url “@cli-us.com” was used in registering the hosting account. However, I can start a hosting account right now with your email in it and it doesn’t mean that it is your hosting account…. It appears to me that this person who signed up for the domain registration and web-hosting through 350dollarwebsites.com using faked credentials and a stolen or fake PayPal has found a way to get back at me by listing my url as his hosting contact.

To begin with, the cli-us.com address wasn’t used for the scam sites’ registration information, it was used for the administrator of the DNS zone for the sites. This information is stored in the sites’ SOA records. Registration data is easy to fake while SOA records are controlled by DNS server administrators. In addition, the SOA record for a site is rarely seen by people. The registration information is of general public interest but the SOA record is almost never looked at by anyone other than DNS server administrators. If this alleged client of Chris was looking to get back at him by stealing his personal information, putting that information in this obscure place would not have been an effective means of doing that.

Finally, Chris tried to blow off the proof that he has had experience spamming Craigslist by talking about the articles he wrote on the subject as if they were mere attempts at article marketing. He didn’t address the content of the articles, and what that content says about him, at all.

The Craigslist article you point to was an early attempt at article marketing 3 YEARS ago. If you will notice in the article, there is reference to an affiliate link that no longer even exists. As I am sure you know, 3 years on the internet is a lifetime. I have not posted on Craigslist more than 1 ad per month (probably longer) in years.

As if all of this weren’t suspicious enough, further investigation revealed that

  1. There is someone on the site Freelancer.co.nz who has the alias VegasChris, lives in Henderson, and is affiliated with the company CLI. This VegasChris has placed ads looking for people to post fake dating ads on Craigslist for him. He also placed an ad looking for someone to ghost write articles on internet gaming for him. Christopher Lawell said in his letter that he makes money from “internet marketing efforts in the online gaming vertical”.
  2. There is also someone on the site MoneyMakerDiscussion.com who uses the alias VegasChris. This VegasChris also posted ads looking for people to spam Craigslist with fake dating ads and moreover we saw that he discussed his involvement with marketing porn for the site PornProfit.com. He used to use his board posting signature to promote the company InCorp of Henderson, Nevada and he says that he used to be the VP of a mortgage company, just as Christopher Lawell once was. In addition, he once mentioned Chris Lawell’s company Clearline Media as an example of some good website design that his friend SnBirdi did.
  3. On Facebook there is a profile for a Chris Lawell who posted an advertisement for the chatbot MiyaBot on his wall back in March. VegasChris of MMD has also promoted MiyaBot a few times and is in fact the owner of the company MiyaBot. VegasChris’ friend SnBirdi, the website designer who worked on ClearlineMedia.com, also designed MiyaBot.com

Now, tell me, when we consider all of the evidence discovered, and also consider just how full of holes the explanations in Christopher Lawell’s letter were, what are we supposed to conclude?

UPDATE

It has now been confirmed that Christopher Lawell is VegasChris. See the evidence.

Chris Lawell on Facebook: Is the Chris Lawell Who Plugs MiyaBot the Same Chris Lawell of 350DollarWebsites.com? Is He VegasChris of MMD?

There is more than one Facebook profile for someone called Chris Lawell. Besides the one that the partner at Clearline Media and president of Christopher Lawell Inc. and 350dollarwebsites.com acknowledges owning, there is also one with no profile picture uploaded. The owner of this other profile does, however, have his wall visible to the public so that we can see that on March 15th he used his wall to plug a chatbot called MiyaBot. (You must login to Facebook in order for the link to work so that you can view his wall.)

Someone with the name Chris Lawell plugging MiyaBot. (Click to enlarge)

I’ve already pointed out that in Google’s cache there is a now deleted thread where the MMD VegasChris recommends his friend SnBirdi for website design and gives as an example of his work the site for Chris Lawell’s company Clearline Media. Look at the page again and notice that he also gives Miyabot.com as an example of SnBirdi’s work.

Click to enlarge.

VegasChris has also recommended the product MiyaBot in the thread Dating Bot Jenny she walks she talks she converts :)

That’s only one of the benefits of using MiyaBOT. You can set up unlimited tokenized responses for messages.

The person can say “what’s your name?” and you can reply differently everytime.

And in the thread WTB MSN/AIM Bot, where user darkcrypt is looking to buy a chatbot, VegasChris says:

You are in luck. I just put one on the market today…

Contact me via pm with any questions!!

http://www.moneymakerdiscussion.com/…-chat-bot.html

So VegasChris of MMD doesn’t just promote MiyaBot, he is the owner of the product. The link in the quote above goes to a thread that is no longer available that was titled “MiyaBot – The worlds most innovative Chat-Bot”.

Finally, in this deleted web page that is still in Google’s cache, VegasChris talks about the great job that his friend SnBirdi (aka Nick) has done on his website Miyabot.com.

VegasChris discussing Nick’s work on Miyabot.com

Chatbots, for those of you who don’t know, are computer programs that simulate conversations with real people. They are used sometimes by businesses like PayPal to provide automated support to their customers. They are also used by people who engage in e-Whoring, the scam of cheating men on the internet out of their money by getting them to believe that there is a real girl online who is interested in them.

We don’t know yet that these two Chris Lawells are the same person. But suppose that they were. The question arises, why would he have two Facebook accounts? A possible answer would be that he wanted to use one for his personal life and one for his business relationships. People who run their own businesses often have separate personal and business profiles on Facebook.

A Little Bit More About VegasChris of MoneyMakerDiscussion.com

On MMD there is a thread titled Hello! started by OnlineMom to introduce herself to the forum. VegasChris, being the polite man that he is, welcomes her and tells her a little about himself.

Welcome Online Mom. I as the VP of a national Mortgage company. Now I work from home as a full time IM’er (Internet marketer)

Our friend Chris Lawell was also once the Vice President of a mortgage company, Ace Mortgage Funding. (Click the image to enlarge it.)

In a previous post I showed you a screen shot of a past version of VegasChris’ profile where he used the name AnitaJohnson. In that profile he used his posting signature to promote the company InCorp of Henderson, Nevada. Look again at the URL for the link to InCorp which you can see in the browser status bar:

The URL that MMD redirects you to when you click the InCorp link is

http%3A%2F%2Fwww.InCorp.com%2Fdefault.aspx%3Freferredbyaccountid%3D65123

which gets decoded to

http://www.incorp.com/default.aspx?referredbyaccountid=65123

See that portion of the URL after the question mark? That tells us the the account ID of the affiliate who is directing Web traffic to InCorp’s website. Using that ID, InCorp could tell us exactly who this VegasChris, the man who hires people to spam Craigslist with fake dating ads to promote porn sites, really is.

More on VegasChris of MoneyMakerDiscussion.com

In Google’s cache you can see a now deleted thread where the MMD VegasChris recommends user SnBirdi (aka Nick) for website design. As an example of his work he presents the website for Chris Lawell’s company Clearline Media.

VegasChris talking about the Clearline Media website. (Click to enlarge.)

If the link doesn’t work for you, search Google for

VegasChris ClearlineMedia

and look at the cached copies of the results. Notice that VegasChris wrapped his mentioning of ClearlineMedia.com in a code block instead of putting it in normal text. This is a trick that is used to prevent the page being discovered by MoneyMakerDiscussion.com’s search function. Any text wrapped in code is ignored by the search function, so that someone who uses MMD’s search feature to find references to ClearlineMedia won’t find this page. (It still can be found with a Google search, however.) The reasons that an MMD user would want to hide his reference to a company should be fairly obvious.

Also, there is a thread on MMD titled WE ACCEPT ALL TYPE OF TRAFFIC! started by Cody04, a representative of PornProfit.com. [WARNING: Their site has a link to their promotional video. Do not click on that link unless you have a very strong stomach.] Cody writes:

Hey,

If you want to promote or are looking to promote adult, hit me up we can accept CL traffic, Chat Traffic,Search Engine Optimization… As long as the traffic converts we will take it!

We pay ON TIME and are very easy to get a hold of… We work with CCBill as our biller.. If you are interested hit me up on ICQ at 487111948

Check us out at Porn Profit Adult Affiliate Program – Pornprofit.com

In this thread we hear VegasChris complain that PornProfit.com suspended his account and didn’t pay him.

These guys just banned my account and have not paid. Now Cody is unavailable via ICQ.

I have many long specific convo’s with him regarding the traffic etc. he said he was fine with it.

He made a commitment to me that he would pay me for all joins to date even if he decides to cancel my traffic. He has not done so. I am giving him the opportunity to respond here. I will let everyone know if he comes through on his promise.

VegasChris of CLI in Henderson

Christopher Lawell said in his explanation that he has “not posted on Craigslist more than 1 ad per month (probably longer) in years.” Could this be because he hires others to post for him? On the site Freelancer.co.nz there is a user who goes by the name of VegasChris. His profile states that he is with the company CLI in Henderson. He has posted some interesting ads.

On 1/14/2010, he posted an ad looking for a CL, BP and other classified sites poster.

Want an experienced poster for Backpage and Craigslist. MUST be experienced and able to successfully post on both sites.

Will compensate based off responses. Starting at $75 per 1k, will pay more based off the quality of conversions.

Posts are for NSA (W4M) ad category. You must provide ad content and forward replies to specific email address I provide in real time.

Will test work with a daily payout. Would like to escalate to a regular weekly order with successful traffic.

Being able to drive traffic from additional classified sites a plus.

He later posted a similar ad on 1/19/2010. Earlier, he was looking to buy 5000 Hotmail accounts, and the last ad he posted was for a ghost writer for articles about iGaming, the industry in which Chris Lawell says he does his internet marketing business.

There’s another VegasChris on the web who places ads for Craigslist posters, VegasChris of MoneyMakerDisscusion.com. He used to use the name AnitaJohnson. This old version of his MMD profile is still in Google’s cache. To see that this is an old version of VegasChris’ profile, hover over the link labelled Find All Posts and look at the browser status bar. You’ll see that the userid for the profile is 61348, the same as the userid for VegasChris. (Click the image to enlarge it.)

When you click on the link to InCorp Entity Structuring in the cached profile’s signature, you are taken to InCorp.com, a company in Henderson, Nevada.

So this VegasChris also has a Henderson, Nevada connection and could very well be the same person as the other one.

On 4/26/2010, the MMD VegasChris posted the thread Looking for a craigslist poster.

I am looking to buy CL posting service or W4M lead provider in real time and exclusive.

Contact me via pm.

On 11/16/2009, he posted Looking for a CL poster.

Need a poster for adult content on CL.

Let me know what you charge. Would be willing to spend $200 a day (or more) for the right traffic.

Will start immediately.

On 11/3/2009, he posted Looking for a reliable poster on CL.

I am looking to hire a regular CL poster.

Can be creative when it comes to compensation. Would consider pay per post or JV per sale.

dating in W4M section. Possibly other areas.

Please pm me for discussion.

What both of these guys (and they’re probably the same person) are doing here is hiring people to spam the dating sections of Craigslist with fake ads. This is done to promote real dating sites, or to promote fake dating sites used to trick people into signing up for porn sites, and sometimes to promote just plain upfront porn sites.